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12/13/2008 11:23:30 PM

Found this discussion searching for an issue after hearing Gerald Celente going off about the 'college industrial complex'.

People who are going into debt to send their kids into the college industrial complex are just throwing money away. Here's the most important part of it: the college industrial complex is built upon, again, the old model of filling people for the corporate field. That whole corporate paradigm is now dying and the colleges are still geared up to filling that.

So you know, I mean, people sending their kids to a school that has a good language course. Send the kids to the country where they want to speak the language and let them work and they'll learn it there, or get Rosetta Stone, but don't spend $40,000. Or send them to the community college.

 

7/22/2007 7:28:03 PM

Here's a nay:

College Tuition Still Remains a Bargain

By Jake B. Schrum, President, Southwestern University at Georgetown, Texas

Much has been said in the media lately about the cost of college tuition. But this cost needs to be put in perspective.

Try to put your 17-year-old up in an Embassy Suites hotel or any other moderately priced hotel for 240 nights a year - the length of an average year in college.  You would pay about $24,000 for the year, and all you would get is a room, linen and maid service, and maybe a free continental breakfast. And even if you went to a budget motel, you’d still spend nearly $15,000.

4/20/2007 3:03:05 PM

There's no debate here while ignoring the fact "too high" is framed, although it is too high...whoops. Where are the "nays" on this issue?

3/22/2007 7:34:06 PM

issue prior to revisions:

Is the cost of higher education in the U.S. reasonable?
Yes
No
No position or position not known.

3/13/2007 3:12:03 PM

Oh, that's a good point about "become."  Also about "reasonable."  I like "Is the cost of a college education too high?"

3/11/2007 3:03:28 PM

We can't introduce the biased assumption that the cost of higher education used to be perfectly reasonable at some point in the past and may or may not be now. Asking "too high" is a bit of a frame, but I could probably live with it if it has strong popular support.

3/5/2007 7:06:37 PM

I agree with Nick that it sounded better before. How about:

"Is the cost of a college education too high?" 

[Insert essay here.]

3/5/2007 6:02:05 PM

I like the intent of this issue, but I'm stuck on "reasonable". I think it's too easy for people to say, "... it depends...."

I actually think the original wording may work better. I don't see how we could find public figure evidence for the current wording.

The original wording implies that the cost has been increasing and that at some point it may increase beyond a particular threshhold... and that seems like a good benchmark to me.

How about, "Is the benefit of a college degree in the United States still worth the cost?"

2/9/2007 12:09:36 PM

I like that, went ahead and revised.  Thanks for your input!

2/9/2007 12:09:12 PM

issue prior to revisions:

Has the cost of a college degree become too high?
Yes
No
No position or position not known.

2/9/2007 10:59:16 AM

I like "reasonable" more than "fair." Tightened up, how about this:

Is the cost of higher education in the U.S. reasonable?

2/8/2007 5:23:42 PM

Maybe a less framed way to word this could be: "Is the current cost of  higher education in the U.S. reasonable (or fair)?" I think it could apply to both private and public colleges.

2/7/2007 6:01:01 PM

Possible suggestions: 'Are public colleges and universities too expensive?' or 'Does a college degree cost too much?' [It seems important to distinguish between public and private, as you've done, and I wonder how financial aid will factor into this discussion...]

2/7/2007 4:19:56 PM

Maybe can just reword my explanation...!

"Is the cost of higher education greater than it should be?"

(I didn't want two "highers", could also be "Is the cost of earning a degree at a public college or university higher than it should be?")

2/7/2007 4:06:42 PM

I like it....Maybe phrase it: Should there be a cap on the cost of a college education? Hmmm? I am not sure.....of a good way to phrase it?

2/7/2007 4:03:49 PM

The wording may need some tightening up/ clarification.

What I'm going for is whether the cost of higher education is higher than it should be.

2/7/2007 4:02:41 PM

issue prior to revisions:

Has the cost of a college degree become too high?
No position or position not known.