Who should govern churches?

Pastors alone
Pastors under the authority of denominational leadership
Pastors under the authority of a church board
The congregation
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    9/9/2006 7:51:21 PM

    excellent

    9/9/2006 4:16:35 PM

    issue revision:


    editing per comments
    How should churches be run?
    By pastors alone
    By pastors under the authority of denominational leadership
    By pastors under the authority of a church board
    By the congregation

    8/27/2006 11:14:47 PM

    How about: 

    Who should govern churches?

    Policy is a tad weak.

    8/24/2006 12:26:53 PM

    I don't like the passivity there.  If we don't like Jacki's suggestion, then maybe we should go toward:

       Who should decide church policy?

    8/21/2006 1:43:43 AM

    How about "Through whom should church leadership flow?"

    8/16/2006 3:39:44 PM

    I think I prefer the formality of Jacki's suggestion.  It requires changing "By" to "Through" or some other revision.

    8/13/2006 12:56:38 AM

    "Who should lead churches?"

    8/10/2006 3:51:00 PM

    I prefer:

    How should church leadership operate?
     
    to

    How should churches be run?

    8/9/2006 2:21:10 PM

    OK, at the time I was in an odd mood and I was feeling that it made little sense for one denomination to argue that another denomination should be run one way or another.  In a denomination where things are pretty much established, this question doesn't appear relevant.  Now, however, I think it would work.  One hopes that everybody belongs to their denomination because they think it is set up the best way, and they can certainly take a stand on that.  I retract the objection.

    8/8/2006 12:10:51 AM

    I think this may be a little too narrow.  It is an issue restricted to churches that aren't subject to church wide authority.  Catholics and the LDS church are run from a centralized church government.  Local Bishops are subject to their superiors who are subject to their superiors on up the line to Pope or Prophet. 

    I understand your concern. Option 2, I believe addresses the design of both LDS, Catholic, and most mainline protestant denominations:

    By pastors under the authority of denominational leadership

    Do you have a suggested difference for this wording.

    8/7/2006 12:19:26 PM

    I think this may be a little too narrow.  It is an issue restricted to churches that aren't subject to church wide authority.  Catholics and the LDS church are run from a centralized church government.  Local Bishops are subject to their superiors who are subject to their superiors on up the line to Pope or Prophet.  I think the Evangelical church has a similar system (at least it is supposed to, or used to) I don't know about other sects like Lutherens, Methodists, or Presbyterians, but there are quite a few "Christians" to which this issue would not apply.

    That might not be a problem, I don't know.  I could not really have a position on this issue, and Oatney might not either because we both belong to churches with centeralized authority which establish the rules for how local churches opperate.

    8/6/2006 8:20:06 PM

    need whicker's sign off ...

    8/6/2006 7:23:31 PM

    Pastor is a term equally applicable to parish priest as it is to a protestant minister, so this should be ready to roll. I do need to apologize. I click the button to show the previous wording in the comments and for some reason it didn't post. I'm not certain why.

    8/6/2006 2:05:15 PM

    remember for catholics, bishops run the churches.  this issue should apply to all christians.

    8/5/2006 6:04:59 PM

    I like Jacki's suggestion.

    8/5/2006 4:59:11 PM

    How should churches be run? 

    [list the stands on all sides of the debate] be descriptive and use neutral language.

    8/3/2006 9:31:26 PM

    Maybe this could be approached from the other side,

    Should churches be run democratically?

    8/3/2006 9:09:09 PM

    The pastor is unanswerable to any authority (except perhaps a denominational superior.) He runs the church. If there's a board, its under his authority. He makes all organizational decisions on the church, runs the worship, invite preachers, and can make most of the important decisions about the church's future.

    8/3/2006 5:33:30 PM

    the idea is not so much - is the issue broad enough for sub-issues but whether people will blog on the issue over the long term.

    now, on to this issue specifically, i'd like a little more direction.  what do we mean by "absolute power"  can this issue be more descriptive?

    8/1/2006 10:13:53 PM

    Here's a revision, and a little less narrow. This one will open the door to sub-issues.

    7/24/2006 2:35:13 PM

    I agree with jacki.  This is too narrow.

    7/23/2006 5:37:39 PM

    i think this issue is too specific to sustain a rational debate.  for one, the stands are so descriptive that they do the blogging for you.  we need pointed, straightforward issues that wil invite complex and rational blog posts.